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		<title>By: Scott Moonen</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, all. Anthony, I intended &quot;representative&quot; in a broader sense, but I understand what you&#039;re saying and am sympathetic with your reasoning. Peter Leithart offers an additional factor to consider here: http://www.leithart.com/2012/10/16/whats-voting-for/. I&#039;m sympathetic with that, too.

Either way, my individual vote is truly not going to be make or break for Romney. That&#039;s very liberating. And regardless of access, we can and should speak with Jesus&#039;s own authority on the critical issues of our day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, all. Anthony, I intended &#8220;representative&#8221; in a broader sense, but I understand what you&#8217;re saying and am sympathetic with your reasoning. Peter Leithart offers an additional factor to consider here: <a href="http://www.leithart.com/2012/10/16/whats-voting-for/" rel="nofollow">http://www.leithart.com/2012/10/16/whats-voting-for/</a>. I&#8217;m sympathetic with that, too.</p>
<p>Either way, my individual vote is truly not going to be make or break for Romney. That&#8217;s very liberating. And regardless of access, we can and should speak with Jesus&#8217;s own authority on the critical issues of our day.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Adams</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 08:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott, thanks for this post and though I agree for the most part, I believe I will offer another reason to vote, a #6 , if you will (on the presidential level). I have a few things to note first. In terms of presidency, which appears to be referred to here, the role of the president is not to be &quot;my representative&quot; as noted on #2, we have &quot;representatives&quot; that we elect in our representative Republic, not just one &quot;representative&quot;. Perhaps this was assumed but not stated, either way, he must be relatively/reasonably wise and righteous (according to human standards as you said) yet the president is catering to an entire nation not just a small group in &quot;Raleigh NC&quot; and thus he will take broad views that will undoubtedly not match my own. Romney, for example I do not agree with on many issues, yet as a #3 reason he may be best suited compared to Obama as much as I hate to say it.  But I have a better reason to vote for &quot;the lesser of the evils&quot;: #6 Since the office of presidency also has the veto power and bully pulpit, if a significant change were to occur in the Senate and House where conservatives become a majority, and a greater &quot;moral influence&quot; were to occur in DC enough to cause a majority of honest laws to be put forth, which candidate would &quot;go along with&quot; the will of the people at that time and which would stand in the way of that progress? 

Many people see the president as &quot;king&quot; on the chess board when in reality there is no king, politicians are all pawns (and other more minor characters) that are strategically placed for the protection of the &quot;true king&quot; of our land: &quot;Rule of Law: Righteous Law&quot;. Seeming that Romney is not an honest or righteous man, it becomes difficult to see him as a man that can be trusted. I don&#039;t trust him, but I do trust that he will cater to conservatives if we gain the majority. I do trust that Obama would not. I do trust that Romney will replace Bernanke with someone &quot;less liberal&quot;, and there is a chance that he will elect a conservative Judge. With Obama I trust that he will not. So, what I am suggesting is while I&#039;m waiting for the perfect righteous ruler to appear, I want to support a ruler that will not get in the way of righteous law being put forth (Legislative and Judicial) and thus I think Romney, on that level, would be a desirable choice. I think #4 and #5 are completely valid for someone frustrated with the system, but in the end it will be on each of our consciences if we had the chance to overthrow legislation like Roe V Wade and the President exercised his veto power because I was a bit irritated that the GOP is corrupt (or whatever my reasoning for not voting for the major parties). The system is broken, but the founders didn&#039;t expect it would be fixed right away by one leader, as you noted, it will take all of us working hard and it will take years working with flawed leaders that we don&#039;t fully agree with or trust. 

I totally agree with your further points of activity in church, influencing culture, local leaders etc, I think these will have a greater positive impact than &quot;voting&quot; one way or another in a national election.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, thanks for this post and though I agree for the most part, I believe I will offer another reason to vote, a #6 , if you will (on the presidential level). I have a few things to note first. In terms of presidency, which appears to be referred to here, the role of the president is not to be &#8220;my representative&#8221; as noted on #2, we have &#8220;representatives&#8221; that we elect in our representative Republic, not just one &#8220;representative&#8221;. Perhaps this was assumed but not stated, either way, he must be relatively/reasonably wise and righteous (according to human standards as you said) yet the president is catering to an entire nation not just a small group in &#8220;Raleigh NC&#8221; and thus he will take broad views that will undoubtedly not match my own. Romney, for example I do not agree with on many issues, yet as a #3 reason he may be best suited compared to Obama as much as I hate to say it.  But I have a better reason to vote for &#8220;the lesser of the evils&#8221;: #6 Since the office of presidency also has the veto power and bully pulpit, if a significant change were to occur in the Senate and House where conservatives become a majority, and a greater &#8220;moral influence&#8221; were to occur in DC enough to cause a majority of honest laws to be put forth, which candidate would &#8220;go along with&#8221; the will of the people at that time and which would stand in the way of that progress? </p>
<p>Many people see the president as &#8220;king&#8221; on the chess board when in reality there is no king, politicians are all pawns (and other more minor characters) that are strategically placed for the protection of the &#8220;true king&#8221; of our land: &#8220;Rule of Law: Righteous Law&#8221;. Seeming that Romney is not an honest or righteous man, it becomes difficult to see him as a man that can be trusted. I don&#8217;t trust him, but I do trust that he will cater to conservatives if we gain the majority. I do trust that Obama would not. I do trust that Romney will replace Bernanke with someone &#8220;less liberal&#8221;, and there is a chance that he will elect a conservative Judge. With Obama I trust that he will not. So, what I am suggesting is while I&#8217;m waiting for the perfect righteous ruler to appear, I want to support a ruler that will not get in the way of righteous law being put forth (Legislative and Judicial) and thus I think Romney, on that level, would be a desirable choice. I think #4 and #5 are completely valid for someone frustrated with the system, but in the end it will be on each of our consciences if we had the chance to overthrow legislation like Roe V Wade and the President exercised his veto power because I was a bit irritated that the GOP is corrupt (or whatever my reasoning for not voting for the major parties). The system is broken, but the founders didn&#8217;t expect it would be fixed right away by one leader, as you noted, it will take all of us working hard and it will take years working with flawed leaders that we don&#8217;t fully agree with or trust. </p>
<p>I totally agree with your further points of activity in church, influencing culture, local leaders etc, I think these will have a greater positive impact than &#8220;voting&#8221; one way or another in a national election.</p>
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		<title>By: Joy</title>
		<link>http://scottmoonen.com/2012/10/11/vote/#comment-989</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 03:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree wholeheartedly with your post, Scott. I think that this election is the first in a while that it is possible to send a symbolic message by voting for a third party, because it seems like there is so little enthusiasm out there for either candidate. 

I am a registered Republican and was hoping that Romney/Ryan and the GOP would do/say something to convince me to vote for them, but they have not. I do not feel like they even want my vote, so I will not waste such a great privilege on them. I would have to compromise my personal principles to vote for Obama or Johnson, and there is no one else on our ballot, so I will be writing someone in as well. You don&#039;t have to look further than the back of my car to know who I would suggest you write in :) 

I especially agree with your last three points, though. We do have more important ways to make a difference. I hope many people will take your advice on how to do that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree wholeheartedly with your post, Scott. I think that this election is the first in a while that it is possible to send a symbolic message by voting for a third party, because it seems like there is so little enthusiasm out there for either candidate. </p>
<p>I am a registered Republican and was hoping that Romney/Ryan and the GOP would do/say something to convince me to vote for them, but they have not. I do not feel like they even want my vote, so I will not waste such a great privilege on them. I would have to compromise my personal principles to vote for Obama or Johnson, and there is no one else on our ballot, so I will be writing someone in as well. You don&#8217;t have to look further than the back of my car to know who I would suggest you write in <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I especially agree with your last three points, though. We do have more important ways to make a difference. I hope many people will take your advice on how to do that!</p>
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